Old Britts

Electric start conversion for pre-1975 Commandos
09/20/11

The first 11 installations of our Commando starter conversions are progressing well with most of the conversions running for months with good results. We finally have the next batch of starter kits available and are working through the conversions for which we have received deposits. If you have given us a deposit and have not been contacted, you will be contacted soon. We hope to get one starter conversion out a week.

We are casting the starter bracket to save on production and material costs. We have had the engine cradles manufactured and powder coated locally to keep the costs below the original cost. We only produced 20 kits in this next batch due to the upfront cost, so this batch is first come first served. The installation instructions are complete, but just on our site. We were going to make these instructions into an installation manual, but have decided to supply the installation instruction on a CD in PDF format for now. This keeps the cost down and seems to be adequate for the current customers.

Things to consider before deciding on purchasing this starter conversion.

We have broken the installation procedure into six logical phases. All six phases of the installation along with detailed pictures are listed in the document Installation instructions for our Electric start conversion for pre-1975 Commandos . This installation document is intended to be used in conjunction with the six check lists Starter Conversion Check Lists. This documentation contains all the steps required to perform the conversion.

We estimate that with a competent Norton mechanic and if all goes well, this conversion can be accomplished in approximately 19 hours or about 2 1/2 days. We put or time estimates at the end of each check list, so you can estimate the time for each step.

Chrome starter
The final version or our starter on our first installation.

A video of the starter in action.
A short video of starting a 1972 Combat 10:1 compression engine.

Pricing for the starter components

Not all the items listed will be required for every conversion, but we have listed all the items that might be involved in a conversion. The following pricing is current as of 01/27/12.

A complete system will be around $3,000. This does not include installation. This does include the complete belt drive system with the ring gear, belt tensioner, starter motor, starter outrigger bracket, starter bracket outer cover (Primary Cover), modifying the battery box, a new modified engine cradle, modifying your primary cases, a wiring harness, and all the stainless fasteners required. The belt drive system is the most expensive part of this conversion, but it is manufactured in the USA.

Customer comments about our Electric Start Conversion

History of this design

This starter is based on the original design by Bob Oswald (Quiet Power Drive) that he has developed and sold for a number of years. The QPD starter system was used as the base design for Kenny Dreer on his VR-880 Commandos.

Old Britts has taken the evolution of this starter design a bit further making what we believe to be a fool-proof electric starter for Pre-MK3 Commandos. The improvements to the previous designs are:

Our Testing

This starter has been mounted on our engine dyno and used to start a freshly built Combat, 10 to 1 compression, engine. The starter turned over the engine with ease, almost like the spark plugs had been removed. We have well over 300 starts on the new ring gear and it does not show any signs of wear. We are in the process of testing our starter on a 1972 Commando.

Miscellaneous Information

Pictures of all parts of this conversion can be found on our Installation instructions for our Electric start conversion for pre-1975 Commandos . The starter motors can be chrome or black. We have some black starters on order and will display them shortly. These starters are the ones used on the Harley Sportster and have proven to be very dependable.

We have a manifold available to address the issue of the placement of the breather body for 1972/73 750 engines that have been modified by Old Britts to fix the oil scavenging problem.

When we have modified the inner primary cover to fit around our starter bracket the center mounting stud pillar has to be removed for clearance for the ring gear and allow a cross shifting shaft if left hand shift is desired. The stock three bolts that screw into the crank cases along with the two starter screws secure the inner primary. The outer primary cover will be altered where the two locating pins fit the two cases together. The outer cover will have the locating pin holes drilled through the case. The inner cover locating holes will be tapped and two allen head bolts will secure the outer cover to the inner cover. Old Britts 1972 race bike with left hand shift has had the two primary covers attached this way since it was built and it has never given us any problems.

Drilling for left hand shift
Milling for left hand shift.

The outer primary cover can be modified to accomodate left hand shift. To provide left hand shift, we use the MK3 gearbox covers and cross shaft. The outer primary cover is bolted to the inner cover and mounted on our mill at the correct angle for the cross shaft. We then bore out the outer cover and fit the MK3 shaft bushing. We modify the cross shaft end to fit into the shift lever. At this time this arrangement will only work with rear sets.

Our starter mounted on the Old Britts engine dyno.

Old Britts Engine Dyno

Several owners of MK3 bikes have asked if this starter will work on their bikes. The answer is yes and we have one running, but ring gear is too large to fit in the inner MK3 primary cover. We have developed a complete inner and outer primary and will provide pictures and pricing at a later date.


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